World Of Lies Interviews

Monday, March 6th, 2015

Tony Avila from World Of Lies live on Thrash Zone

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Monday, December 23rd, 2013

World Of Lies on KOUV Radio's Thrash Zone

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Friday, August 9th, 2013

KPSU Live Friday

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World Of Lies preforming LIVE on the air plus interviews

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WOL 2013


Colin Gilmore

I'm writing an article on the contemporary Metal scene. I live in Portland, so

I've been trying to get as many locally based bands to participate as possible.

If you would like to answer any of these questions, I'd really appreciate it.

Feel free to add any other comments.

Your Name:

Tony Avila

Band Name:

World OF Lies + Eulogy

What are your songs about?

World Of Lies = All kinds of things, mainly things that we as a society should pay more attention to and try to either change or do something about, awareness Eulogy = Death, Serial Killers Horror.

What are your favorite bands?

Carcass, Slayer, Napalm Death, 7 Seconds, Dead Kennedys, Brutal Truth, The Accused, Dying Fetus

Do you have any other hobbies? -

Is it difficult to find places to play this type of music?

Yes and no, since I have been in the state we have played lots of the venues, some are better for underground grind/ death metal that othersI am working on finding the right place that is good for it, one that will be willing to work with the bands and one that would be open to start booking on a regular basis, so when touring bands contact me or for whatever, we have a place we can always call on.

Is there a difference between the type of music you like and mainstream Rock, if so, what's the difference?

Yes, most of the mainstream bands are signed to make a record company money, not if they are good or not, not if they can play their instruments or not, solely on the basis of being able to make money or not. Music is a art form, not a business or a gear in the money making machine, if music is created to make money, one has to wonder how much really comes from the soul and how much comes from greed...Main stream rock is pretty much like country to me, I know its out there, but I dont care about it at all, I know that the major record companies control what we hear on the radio because they own the radio stations, they play on the radio what they want us to be into and buy, not what is good or what people want to hear, ever hear underground or unsigned or even local bands on a normal hour radio broadcast....nope...because they aint trying to sell it or push it....Mainstream music aint for the people, its for corporations to push their product and make money.

What are some of the factors that have attracted you to this Scene?

I grew up in the punk and hardcore scene, metal and later on brutal metal came easy for me always on the lookout for something harder and faster and ultimately more brutal.

What are some of the things you dislike about it?

Well the main thing is that there is too much drama in it, not enough unity, too many of the band members and fans supporting it, with out the people it will sooner or later loose its power to be a live event and be only an internet or web based type of music.

Do you think the scene has changed over the years?

The scene is always changing and evolving, I got into it (underground) heavily since 1997 (there was my thrasher period from 1988-1991); the scene is meant to change and evolve.

What do you think fans of Death Metal find appealing about his type of music?

People that like death metal and or any kind of underground music like it because its different, more in touch with what they are feeling, maybe the lyrics are more fun than love songs and songs about bling, bling things that we have nothing in common with or care about, lots of people like death metal and grindcore because of the skill required by the players to be able to pull it off and make it good.

What role do women play in the Metal scene?

There arent a whole lot of em, there needs to be more, sex and or race shouldnt be a factor in this scene.

Do you think that fans of this music have any common interests or values?

For sure, we all want to have a good time and listen to some crazy music, with our support of this music brings the power to keep it alive and continue.

Do you think the purpose of this music is to shock people, or to be offensive?

Well both of those and to keep evolving and getting better and faster and for the players to become more skilled and keep showing the mainstream rock bands that they have little or no talent when it comes to playing their instruments..hahaha

If so, what is the point of being shocking or offensive.

Its good because its a wake up call, maybe things we dont see or should be seeing, or maybe like a good horror movie, to shock and scare you.

Do you think it is important for bands to have an image?

It depends on the type of music you are playing, would say Metallica look right dressed up like Emperor or would Dimmu look right dressed up as The Locust? It all depends on the style and type of music the band is playing, playing music does not require you to dress at all....look at the Dwarves.....

What are some of the themes typically found in Metal lyrics?

Metal lyrics have all kinds of subjects, from love to hate, from killing to mutilation, awareness & politics, metal as well and hardcore, punk and hip hop are boundless by the lyrics, it all depends on what the band and the message is trying to get across, if anything at all.....

Do you feel as though local bands support each other?

Not like they should, the local bands as well as the fans of this type of music need to come out to more shows and help keep this type of music alive. It's not just here in Portland or Oregon, I have lived in 2 states, it seems to be happening everywhere, if there is a show happening the people into the scene should be coming out to it to support, weather they play in a local band or not, weather they are a fan of one band or not, there is always more than one band playing and it is very possible once at the show the people who attend might find out about a cool new band that they didnt know about. One might even find out about a cool new band before they hear it by word of mouth or read it in a magazine....the only way to keep this scene alive and to keep it growing is for us a whole to support and keep supporting, I try to go to as many shows as I can, weather I am playing or not, these days its hard for me because I have 2 jobs and 2 bands, but when I go back to only 1 job it will free up time for me to be back out there, whenever I do go, I take pictures and or record the event. After taking the pictures I post them online later for the bands and the fans to see and or use.

Feel free to rant about whatever you like.

As a scene we are all just a bunch of people looking to have a good time, listen to and or play some crazy music, to open people's eyes to new ideas and or forgotten ones, to become better players and to destroy!! The scene is on the verge of collapse all the time, every person makes a difference, we all need to unite and make and take our scene to the highest possible level and not only keep it there but grow it and make it better!
Karl Haikara

April 9th, 2005

Okay here are some for whoever in the band wants to answer:

Tony answers for the band.

How are things going?

Tony: Things are going really good. I moved the band up to Portland, Oregon and since then things have been extra good.

Give us a short history of the band.

Tony: This band was started as a project. 2001 in Sacramento, California. The idea was to start the band at the end of its life and play all styles that a death band like Carcass or Entombed went through but have all of these styles or dated sounding songs all on one recording and to play all of them live.

I notice after browsing around your site, that you have a lot of member changes, what do you think tends to cause this, if anything?

Tony: Well, normally the members have been death metal guys. Some of the death metal guys have a hard time understanding or wanting to deal with the death rock stuff we do (Gardens Of The Dead, Lost Faith). Others move on do focus more on their own projects, as many of the members were asked to either do sessions and or live gigs and stayed around for a while. Every (California) member pretty much was doing another band when they either did a recording session or did gigs with the band. 

What did you wish to express with Material God?

Tony: that album is an older one now…we have a newer one. Let me go back to that period. Well that was the start of trying to do the whole mixture of the styles. That was also a period in my life when I sobered up complete from drinking and just about from drugs. Members were coming in and out at that period also. (Example: 2nd drummer helping mix the drums that the 1st drummer did, since he had quit right after the recording session) as for that CD as a whole I guess I was trying to express that all of these styles could work while putting the band on the map.

How long did it take to record the album?

Tony: Roughly about 6 months.

Any interesting/funny stories about the recording?

Tony: We rented a hotel room during the 1st two days in the studio. It was sooo nasty, there were holes in the walls, the sheets smelled like pussy and ass, there must have been roaches moshing across the ground as we slept. There were some other funny things happening at that studio and around….but it was too long ago and my brain don’t work good with the memory shite…

What equipment do you use?

Tony: I have a mid priced Jackson Guitar, a Rocktron Chameleon 2000 pre amp, a QSC RMX 850 power amp and a Marshall 1960 B 4x12 cabinet. I used to use cheap heads and lame ass cabinets back when I was a lot poorer. I started making good money so I spent like the bucks and upgraded my gear.

I can hear a certain amount of black metal influence, though I might be wrong, what do you think of black metal?

Tony: Lots of people say that (vocals mainly), interesting that most of the styles are inspired by late 80’s thrash and early 90’s Grindcore. As for black metal, I think that some of the bands are pretty good. Like all forms of music some is going to be bad too. 

Influences actually cited on your website include Carcass, At the Gates, Danzig, Slayer and others of that ilk, what other bands would you include in this list, and what is it about bands like this that you like or inspires/influences you in particular?

Tony: Carcass is the main, example CD’s: Wake Up & Smell The Carcass & Choice Cuts. Those 2 CD’s have the flow and the different sounding periods of writing that made me want to start this band.

Here is a list of many bands that I look for as far as inspiration.

Tony: Carcass, At The Gates, Death, Slayer, Napalm Death, Opeth, The Accused, Entombed, Megadeth, Testament, Dead Kennedys, 7 Seconds, The Haunted, Sounds Like Carcass, At The Gates, Megadeth, Entombed, General Surgery, Slayer, Death, Napalm Death, Accused, The Black Dahlia Murder , Eulogy, Testament, Opeth, The Haunted, The Accused, Lock Up, etc……………………..

If I were to look into your cd collection what might I find?

Tony: Many of the titles listed above, many of the bands we have encountered at shows or CD trades or whatever.

Lyrics tend to deal with near-political subjects, though not falling into the trap of political bands often do of being actually political, does lookign around the world around you and seeing the hell we have created tend to create the images that abound in the lyrics, or how does it work?

Tony: I come from a punk and hardcore background, (this is my 2nd metal band) so I tend to want write about what is on my mind, or maybe tell some of the stories that have happened to me as a warning or to open people’s eyes to shit. Maybe someone could learn through my mistakes kind of attitude. The lyrics lean more to a punk or hardcore standpoint where (most of) the music is metal. Best of both worlds to me, + having all the different styles of metal, we have a different set list for what ever show comes our way.

On that note, looking at the back of Material God, I can see pictures of things like George Bush, the Pope, Riots and other images, do these sorts of images inspire your rage that is taken out in the music and lyrics?

Tony: Living day to day inspires my rage, if it isn’t the cops and the system trying to keep you down and bleed you dry, its some punk ass motherfucker calling himself or herself your friend stabbing you in the back. It (my hate or rage) comes from all angles.

How is playing live going? Is there a scene in California or near-by that supports music like yours?

Tony: Well in those days we were all living in a city that was on its way to drying up for our kind of music. About 45 minuets from there was the Oakland/ San Francisco areas and those areas were flourishing with bands on our wavelength. Now that we are out here in Portland, Oregon there is a super killer scene. (just this month are 5 killer shows) there are all kinds of places to play and great local bands (Splatterhouse, Damage OverDose, Engorged, The Accused, Lord Gore, Bung, Fall Of The Bastards, Truculence, Woomwood, Tormentium, Desolation and all touring bands to play with.

What do you think of the "current wave" of American metal bands like Lamb of God, Shadows Fall, Mastodon, etc. who tend to be highly regarded by above ground press, and even hailed as the "new face of Metal" (which I think is bullshit)?

Tony: Well the way I see it, there needs to be someone at least somewhat on the path or good or respectable metal in the public eye so the future metal heads can latch on to and start to look deeper and get turned on to the real shit. Look how it was back when metal was big in the late 80’s – early 90’s, we had head bangers ball and the juke box to at least get some good new music. The kids need some kind of metal even if its only 50% good or so…that might just be enough for them to go looking for what these bands were inspired by and open the doors to all the real music.

How did you sign with Buried in Hell?

Tony: At the time that record label was to be ran by 3 dudes and each of the dudes was to put out his own band’s releases. We were all going to put in on the label and split all the advertising and shit like that. I put out the 1st World Of Lies CD on it, while the other guys did there thing. We had a falling out and I don’t work with those guys anymore.

What do you think the response has been so far to your releases?

Tony: As good as they can be with the semi-limited exposure we get. When we get good distribution and get more advertising I think we could really do something.

Are you happy with World of Lies' music, is there anything you would change?

Tony: The beautiful thing about the whole thing is that if I wanna there are 3 different outlets or styles to do it in….if I get sick of playing Thrash type songs…well we have the Death Rock, or the Grindcore tracks. It works out better than I would have ever imagined.

Where do you see WOL going in the future?

Tony: Many more releases, tours and to the court and jail more….hahaha

Any news or announcements?

Tony: We have a newer CD out that the one that is being talked about here. We have started recording for the 3rd release. We just played the Portland Metal Fest and it was killer!!! World Of Lies is looking for a new bass player & a lead guitar player for recording sessions and or to join. All interested parties should contact the band via

Finally do you have anything to say to the readers?

Hell yea I do…stay true to yourself, watch out for each other. Keep supporting the underground music!!! 

Thank you very much.

Thank you for your interest in the band!


Alive & Kicking

July 29th, 2004

Tony answers for World Of Lies...


Fast Eddie: World Of Lies has had a few lineup changes...please elaborate why.

Tony: It seems that people come in…things change and then they leave.

Fast Eddie: Have you booked any gigs for the band in August or September? CD release show?

Tony: No because I am taking the band out of state with me when I move.

Fast Eddie: What are your biggest influences that most people wouldn't readily assume?

Tony: Carcass, Dead Kennedys, At The Gates, Napalm Death, Death, Slayer.

Fast Eddie: How many formal releases do you have now? Do you have distribution?

Tony: we have 2 CD’s out and one song to come out on a label ran by this fucker that is a total dick drugged out motherfucker. What distro we have is mainly on the net.

Fast Eddie: Where did you get the band name and what is its significance?

Tony: We got the band name from a At The Gates record called Slaughter Of The Soul. It made much to use a name like that seeing on what the lyrics focus on….

Fast Eddie: Do the two/three? members of WOL work full-time?

There is only one permant member and he works full time…

Fast Eddie: Where did the title for the new album come from? Explain.

Tony: well there is no title of the new cd so…the idea of not having a title came from the idea that this is the record I wanted to make with the band, what I mean by this is more variation of songs and styles.

Fast Eddie: Are you still good friends with your old bandmates - including your old drummer? Explain.

Tony: I am very good friends with almost all band mates of the past…I am going to leave certain things unsaid…

Fast Eddie: Will you entertain re-recording and re-working earlier World Of Lies songs? Why or why not?

Tony: no.

Fast Eddie: Where does World Of Lies see itself going given the state of the industry?

Tony: At this time it is hard to say, I do foresee more releases and some touring in the near future….
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You guys performed without a bassist during shows; do you find it hard to perform the songs without a bassist?

Tony: not at all
Paul: No

Can I ask what happened to your previous bassist?

Tony: he bailed and went on to play in bands that he wanted to do more….Paul: Yes you can

Are you looking for a bassist?

Tony: yes…but they got to have their shit together…all we have been getting are junkies and wine-o’s…. we needs someone that isn’t wasted on crank…ya know

Paul: Yes

Who should people contact if they wish to try out for the band?

Tony: anyone that is in the band. Paul: someone in the band

What category/genre of metal would you classify the band as?

Tony: Metal (thrash/grind/death/rock)

What about this type of music do you find appealing, that you chose to play this particular style?

Tony: we all have been playing music for sometime…. in this band we get to play many different styles so it really keeps it new and fun…

Paul: It hits me, it feels right, it’s challenging, and it’s fun to do.

From your website it appears that the band has gone through member changes with Tony and Paul being the constant members. As all bands seem to go through this process, how do you cope with losing members and also trying to bring in and teach a new member the music?

Tony: we just hope that the new person is gonna be as good as the last or better…. so far we have had really good luck with this…. if someone wants out…then they are out…we cant have someone who wants out but continues…. ya know…

Speaking of music, I like the CD I bought and the fact that it has a lot of full tracks in there and not just short fillers was well worth it. How long did it take the band to write and record the CD?

Tony: hhhmmmm…. well 5 songs were taken from the 1st release and re-recorded…as for the rest…. 4 were written as the members came and went…5 more were written with the current line up…so lets say that it took 8 months for 9 songs…

I like the song 'Garden of the dead' a lot. It's got a lot of the qualities the band mentions on the web page.

Tony: to me it has many qualities but it is mostly in the Death Rock realm…

Paul: Oh… yes it does.

"The idea behind the play grindcore/ death metal songs while playing thrash and death rock songs as well, basically playing 4 types of metal with the lyrics based in reality or issues that everyone can understand."
Do you find it hard or easy to combine all the elements to form a cohesive song?

Tony: not at all…we all listen to different kinds of music…as for putting the right parts in the right place…it comes natural…

Some of your songs deal with drugs and abuse. Is it something the band and its members have experienced personally?

Tony: all of the band members have or use drugs of some kind. The drug lyrics come from me. I am a total abuser of drugs and alcohol, I am clean and have been for over 3 years from the booze and over a year with the drugs…these lyrics are just a reminder…for me and for everyone else…I really use the words to remind myself of where I have been, where I am at and where I want to stay away from…

Paul: Yes

If yes, is it hard to write about such things or is it healing to get it out in the open?

Tony: these drug lyrics come natural because it is something that I am constantly surrounded by, everyone I know does something! I am not pissed at others for their choices, but pissed at myself for letting it control me for as long as it did…I put these words out there, free of religion (12 step program) for others to read and think about…I hope maybe it will help others like reading them does for me…

Paul: It makes me want to get high again

For Paul who originally joined the group as a bassist but is guitarist, do you find it easier to play guitar than bass?

Paul: For me yes because I am originally a guitarist & that is what I have always loved to do, but I am not saying that the guitar is easier to play than bass they are both a challenge depending on what type of music you are playing on them.

Since the band is without a bassist for now does Paul plan to go back to bass or is he much more needed as a guitar player?

Paul: Hell fucking no!!!!!!!!!!!!

The band Embryonic Devourment also decided to just use their vocalist for bass duties. Is it tough or hard to find musicians that play your style of music?

Tony: yes it is rather hard to find people that have the skill or the other requirements that is needed for them to join our band…. a job (or income), good equipment and transportation…at least here in Sacramento…Paul: It is not tough to find people to play metal; it is tough though to find people to play this music who are as professional as we need them to be. 

For the rest of the members in the band why do you think the band "World of lies" is worth doing?

Tony: well, its fun, challenging, rewarding, and what the fuck else is there to do?Paul: ah shit…. Now that I think about it maybe it isn’t worth doing.

What can the band offer the audience, why should people give the band a listen?

Tony: well we can play our instruments, we didn’t go but bad ass gear before we learned how to play…we play from our hearts, we are not playing this music to get rich or gain popularity or be cool or get chicks…

Paul: We offer the audience two full-length CD's, two different types of shirts and posters & stickers & shit.

As for the band, is there something from the audience the band needs? Meaning do you want a vocal and animated audience? Obviously it's more exciting when people are screaming and banging their heads to the music but is the band comfortable playing in front of a more subdued or mellow crowd?

Tony: I personally want who ever is out there watching us to have a good time, as long as it don’t hurt or piss anyone else off…. ya know…. its music, its art…it should be fun….Paul: I personally like a rowdy crowd falling over the stage & going nuts.

The last questions I always ask bands. What city does the band consider their hometown?

Tony: Sacramento, CA (don’t tell anyone from California, they get the look on their face like they just smelled a brutal fart when you say your are from here….)

What in the band's opinion is living the "metal" lifestyle?

Tony: uh…what is the metal lifestyle???Paul:

What is the band's definition of metal music?

Tony: now that is a good question…. metal music was to me bands like Slayer, Metallica, Testament, Kreator…etc…. these guys played hard and were really good at their instruments, I know that they had to practice to get that good and to me that meant a lot…its not like they just picked up a instrument and put on the clothes and got a record deal…these bands put in the time and effort…and I respect it very much!!!


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Tony answers for World Of Lies...

1) As a extreme metal act, is it a challenge to find a venue that is open to play your type of music?Yes as a matter of fact it is. This type of music does not have a super big fan base and the music its self is rather hard on some people. There are some local venues that will have the underground type of metal and punk shows in town like…The Distillery - Shady Brady's - The Smoke Shop - On The "Y"

2) As for being a extreme metal act how do you as a band find means of support within the scene: promoters, venue owners, publications, fans, friends?

Those who support underground music are always on the look out for new and upcoming acts. Some people just happen to be at one of the shows and get turned on to the music. This is a strange question kinda so I am not totally sure how to answer it…

3) How did World of lies come into connection with Relapse- playing with Uphill Battle, Origin and Exhumed?

World Of Lies ex-drummer (Dave Phillips/ Madsack Productions) has started doing promotions for the local underground metal scene. He was the one who got into contact w/ relapse and set up the whole show.

4) Was there a change of (idealism) direction, interest in the reason why Eulogy disband?

Yes there were some things like that going on. In the last days of Eulogy we had a problem trying to find a drummer. This was very stressful on the band. We had already had gone through 2 of the best drummers in town and there didn't seem to be anyone (who wasn't already busy) that could fill the spot. The World Of Lies project had already been started, as a project not at 1st to be a real band.

5) From the after math of Eulogy two creations evolved: World Of lies and Kuru. What kind of impact do you think both bands have made to the Sacto scene/ Northern California scene?

Yes there were the 2 bands that came from Eulogy, and both are very different. The separation of the 2 bands style has worked out very well for everyone. I am not sure of the impact the 2 bands have had on the scene as a whole but I am sure that the impact of the 2 bands is something very positive for Sacramento. There are like I'd say 10 or so local bands that are super good and super underrated. It is good to be able to represent the city and let everyone else out there know that there is a underground metal scene here and we have good bands.

6) Since 2001 you have been creating a name for World of Lies - what are the out come of yours shows, sales, networking since the beginning?

Well things have only gotten better from the early days. Members have came, left and some even came back. Things are just getting better, tighter and faster. We have one CD out and a 7" comp and a new CD coming out soon so….I guess things are going according to plan.

7) Do you feel that Sacramento is supportive for extreme metal?

Not completely, there are some people that know about it and support it. There are many that I feel that don't know about it and should, because they would probably like it.

8) In the past two years, the metal scene has started to reshape. Deicide, Six Feet Under coming through playing in sac. What are your dreams/hopes/thoughts for your music and Sacramento, if any?

Yes and no, it is gonna take some hard work to get the scene back the glory days of say the early 90's. Those shows happened and it was great, but many other tours could be coming here and do not anymore. Take the Kreator tour of 2002. Kreator put out a DVD of the whole tour and had all the tour dated printed inside. Sacramento (Orangevale) was on the list, but the show got cancelled…One of the only ways that I think the scene can regroup is for all the tours to get booked here and have them be at an all ages place. This would mean that everyone that is into metal would also need to show up. All we need is a steady place that has good sound, all ages, and not charging a ridiculous amount at the door. Like that Cattle Club/ Bo Jangles…that was such a loss/ hurt to the scene……has anyone out there noticed?

9) What is your meaning in the name/titled of your band? Is there a reason, a message or anything?

When the band started we had already written some of the early songs, we were looking around for a name and we started looking at albums we liked. We picked up the At The Gates album Slaughter Of The Soul and there was a song on their called World Of Lies. I read the name off to the only other member at that time and we both knew right there and then that it was gonna be the name. It fit out kind of music and really fit the kind of lyrics we had. So…

10) What are some directions World Of Lies would like to take as a band?

The goal is to put out as many albums as possible and to tour as much as possible.

11) Who does what, who writes the music, who writes the lyric's and how do you guys/W.O.L. come together as a band/ musicians?

I generally write the lyrics and the music. 1st I go and write some drum parts, then the guitar parts. After that I record them and listen. After enough is there for a song I burn a copy for the guys in the band and we start learning it. Sometimes the lyrics come to me before I submit the song to the band and sometimes after. The players take the basic ideas and put their own ideas into it and we try the song out different ways until it sounds good to us all.As a project we had decided to do more than one kind of underground metal. On the 1st record we did mainly 2 different types…the thrash/ death/ grind and then we had like one deathrock song. We have stuck to the original formula and on the new record it is going to be very obvious that there are 3 types of metal that we are doing.1. Thrash 2. Grind/ Death Metal 3. Death RockAs far as the music goes we are going to build off the 3 styles, as for the lyrics they are always going to be about the troubles and struggles of day-to-day life and trying to open people's eyes to some of the ugly truths of the world.

12) What kind of experience has Tony had in playing with the Hoods? Is there still a connection b/w you and the Hoods - would you do a future show at Mike's venue?

The Hoods was started as a project between Mike Mraz & Tony Avila. We jammed out hardcore covers of bands at the time we were into like, Agnostic Front, Sick Of It All, Madball, and Bad Brains. This was my 1st and only time in a band as drummer. We added on Logan and Tony on bass and vocals and very quickly started playing shows…We are still on good terms if not even better now. I think that Mike knows that I would help out the band if needed. As far as doing shows at his studio, we have done one and we would again. West Coast World Wide is a great place and I give Mike a hell of a lot of credit for having the balls and patience to open, maintain, and keep it going! That place really helped out the local and touring hardcore bands.

13) How would you say the metal scene in Sacramento is (good/fair/bad) and why? What kind of state are we going in your opinion?

The scene has went way downhill since the old days. 1st the biggest bands either changed their style of metal to something crappy or just broke up. Then the Hip-Hop influenced stuff started coming and getting popular. Then all the places that had the good shows locally either shut down or just stopped doing shows like that. This all led to the whole local metal scene to be in the current status that it is in…Now it must be like it was in the early days…if you want to play a local show you just about have to book it yourself. All the local promoters are way too busy with all the rap metal and the (fake ass MTV) punk bands or alternative bands. To them whatever bands make the money is what they are gonna focus on and for the money purposes it makes sense. So yea…things are pretty fucked up right now. So we all gotta do our parts and get the shit going again…it aint gonna happen by it self.

14) With Buried In Hell Records, who discovered whom, and what's the deal are W.O.L. signed or just being distributed?

Now this is gonna be a real fun question to answer…so the idea of a underground zine came up and I started laying it all out…I asked some friends if they wanted to be involved and they did some things for it...I was just about ready to put it out and needed a name…so Kenny Hoffman came up with the name Buried In Hell…and somewhere along the line the zine got put on hold. It never saw the light of day.The idea of a record label between 3 local metal heads Tony Avila (World Of Lies), Kenny Hoffman (Knifethruhead) and Brad Kobylczak (Kuru) and so the record label Buried In Hell was created. The idea was for each of the 3 to put out (pay for, actually press) his own records for his band and that we all would advertise and promote each other. Pressing the CD's was the standard for the scene (a lesson learned on one of the Eulogy tours). Most places wont take you seriously if you don't have a pressed CD so…A big disagreement came about early right after I paid for and put out the World Of Lies CD "Material God" and I decided to leave and continue to release music on my own. I'm not aginast working with a label again.